Pan Dacom Networking AG's HIGHSPEED podcast welcomes KOBIL founder İsmet Koyun for a conversation on Germany's digital state and what "digital sovereignty" actually means once you move past the buzzword. True to form, Koyun steers clear of easy answers — declining to frame the topic as a call to action for its own sake, and pushing back on the reflexive urgency that dominates much of the German digitalization debate.